San Diego Trolley Police Prohibit Photography

September 7, 2009 by  

          It would seem that San Diego Trolley Police need a few lessons in local law. The man on the ground, was smoking in the 12th & Imperial Transit Center in San Diego, CA. This happened on September 5th, 2009 at 8:20pm. Assuming that what you see the San Diego Trolley Transit Police doing is legal and assuming the transit police are keeping other public commuters safe, there should be no issue with photography taking place. If a protector of the public, whose salary is drawn from the taxes of the public is also prohibiting the public from LEGAL activities, then San Diego trolley police are breaking the law. Heritage Security has a 5 year, $25 million with San Diego which was signed in January, 2006. The hierarchy seems to be: Unarmed trolley officer, armed trolley officer, armed supervisor, armed lieutenant and armed captain. If I read the contract correctly, unarmed San Diego trolley police officers receive a 2.5% annual pay increase, while armed trolley police officers receive a 3.5% annual pay increase. There are also small pay increases every 6 months, assuming performance is satisfactory. As San Diego trolley police have constant interaction with the public, why do they prohibit photography of themselves if they are performing their job in a satisfactory manner? The contract makes no mention of a photography ban nor does it state what qualifies satisfactory performance versus unsatisfactory performance.

Some highlights from the video above are:

1) For the first 40 seconds or so, the man on the ground makes numerous requests for the officer closest to me to get his knee off of his head, and specifically, his scar which was obtained during a recent surgery to remove cancer.
2) At the 15 second mark, a female officer crosses the Trolley tracks and says, “Get away with that camera!” I can be heard to ask, “How far?” The San Diego Trolley Police Officer says, “You’re not allowed to take pictures.”
3) At the two minute mark, right after a bus passes between me and the officers and their handcuffed smoker, the same female officer from before (now on the left side of the screen) looks at me, walks to her colleagues as says something. A second later three officers turn around and look right at me. The female officer points at me, which causes a one of her own to approach me for the ensuing challenge.

        UPDATE! Read my follow-up post here. My video is featured on NBC 7/39 San Diego News. Watch my interview and read a statement made by Heritage Security regarding the situation. Suffice to say that photography at San Diego Trolley Stations is in fact 100% LEGAL!

Moving Trolley

Trolley Stations Are Public Property

          Photography is not illegal. You’ll hear me say that a half dozen times or so in the video, as well as asking if I am in violation of any law. Two of the San Diego Trolley Cops told me I was not allowed to take pictures. Interesting. We public commuters can look at them, show them our tickets, obey orders given by them, be tackled to the ground by them and placed, in handcuffs inside SUV’s with dark tinted windows, BUT WE CAN NOT PHOTOGRAPH THEM DOING ANY OF IT! Or so they say, at least in this video.

          San Diego trolley police officers that don’t want pictures taken of them while they do their job are out of luck. If they are captured on film while tackling some one to the ground, why would photography be prohibited unless they were doing something illegal? I have emailed Heritage Security asking this question but got no reply. I would appeal to visit the contact page of Heritage Security and ask them. On that page you will find and email link with text that says [email protected], but when you hover over the link it says the email is [email protected] I hope their trolley police officer selection process is not as disorganized as their website.

San Diego Trolley Police 12th & Imperial Transit Center

A Transit Station At Night Can Be Scary Enough on It’s Own

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  1. Cynthia kirkland on September 14th, 2009 1:36 pm

            This story is an outrage, as a citizen that takes public trans by choice. Speak up people every single day that you wake up in this country one of your rights is being taken away. The old saying "the squeaky wheel gets heard" is true. If you find an injustice you open your mouth, you get heard when you are persistent in your moral and humane belief that something is not right.

  2. Mike Hernandez on September 14th, 2009 4:47 pm

    These guys are not even titled as police or police officers. Their contract security guards from Heritage Security that provide security for MTS. In no way or form are they considered police officers under Penal Code 832 or possess the power of a peace officer. Their pay starts at $9 an hours and on get $0.25 increases or so every year, a little more pay if your armed. They only posses the power of any citizen and are given authority through the MTS and City Municipal ordnance to detain anyone using reasonable amount of force for any violation of local or state laws until local police arrive for disposition (this includes not cooperating with the ordnance of no smoking within the trolley station which is illegal and they posses the authority to detain anyone for that matter). In addition, MTS also consist of Code Compliance Inspectors that are given authority to ticket infractions and certain misdemeanor offenses, transport to county jail and as well BUT are NEVER considered peace officers or police officer status (they cannot even carry firearms and are not fully sworn peace officers, more like a glorified meter-maid with pepper spray). Nonetheless, it is NOT illegal to film or take pictures within the stations, HOWEVER, since these guys are not peace officers and its a private organization, IT IS ALSO not illegal to request you to turn off your camera if they feel like asking you. At this point, its a civil matter that can be brought before the contracting security agency, Heritage. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me.

    -Mike

  3. Kevin Byington on September 14th, 2009 4:59 pm

    HELL YEAH! Way to stand up for all of us who have been harrassed, humiliated, and detained by these egomeniacle and sub-standard law enforcement officers. Tell me what I can do to help you get this story out and heard!!!!

  4. sandy on September 16th, 2009 7:13 am

    Actually your wrong and you need to investigate the law before you post a story r.. there is a law and you need a permit in order to take any video's or pictures around the trolley stations.. it came into effect as part of our fight on terrorist..

  5. Rob on September 17th, 2009 11:51 am

            @Sandy… If that is true, then why was I never asked by the trolley police to see my permit? Where did you get your information from regarding this law. I would like to post a link to it on my website for all to see.

  6. James Mancuso on September 17th, 2009 7:00 am

    This is one more example of why George W. Bush and his band of Nazi thugs have just about ruined this country. During 8 years they looted and plundered this nation and used the 9/11/01 attacks as a pretext to try to take away our freedoms. Well, we should be ready to fight back to get those freedoms back, with force if necessary. With the fascist Patriot Act, I cannot help but wonder two things; Was 9/11 an inside job propugated by Bush and his bunch of thugs and has he turned this country into another Third Reich? The government is supposed to SERVE the people, not the other way around. According to the Declaration of Independence, if the government does not do the will of the people, we are well within our rights to bring about its overthrow.

  7. Rob on September 17th, 2009 12:03 pm

            @James Mancuso… Well, I hadn't assumed there was any connection between San Diego trolley police and our former president, but I suppose anything is possible. I'm not quite making the connection between your comment and my video either, but then again, my complete understanding of what others say is not a bar that has to be hurdled. I appreciate you comment but I do hope that overthrowing our government won't be necessary in order not secure photographers' rights.

  8. Matt on September 19th, 2009 8:43 am

    I know that the city has a new law on smoking around bus stops and trolley centers. My question is, was that man just smoking a cigarette at the trolley stop? That seems like excessive force for such a small crime.

  9. Rob on September 19th, 2009 8:51 am

           He wasn't just smoking a cigarette and then tackled unawares. He lit up and was heading out of the trolley station, but a trolley car cut him off. While he was waiting for the trolley to pass by, the trolley police told him to put the cigarette out. He said he was just waiting for the trolley to pass by, but the trolley police said he had to put it out now. It just escalated from there. Neither cop nor smoker would back down so what you see on the video ensued. If the trolley police had just given him 10 seconds for the trolley to pass by, this wouldn't have happened, OR if he would have put out his cigarette, this wouldn't have happened.
           Selfish guy that I am, the reason I published the video was because the trolley police told me I was not allowed to take pictures. Little did they know I was actually shooting video.

  10. Mike Hernandez on September 22nd, 2009 3:28 am

    @Sandy-Please officially site and reference your source about that law. I would like to know. Since you stated that its "our" fight against terrorism, I assume you work for transit.

  11. DHS on October 2nd, 2009 1:38 am

    You are in your rights to defend the freedom of others. You are authorized by the USA to take video, tape recordings, pictures and collect evidence of actions that effect the freedom of others.

    the Homeland Security Act is illegal legislation and needs to be repealed. It allows the DHS to lie and turn anyone and everyone into a terrorist by just saying so. No proof required.

    Keep up the good work. I set up my car with forward camera's, side and rear with video recording due to corrupt san diego cops on the freeways breaking speed limits and creating serious safety risks to the public.

    Security Guards are not police and what they did in the video was an aggressive action that was illegal and wrong.

    I have a situation for you video man for your next video. Go on the trolley with a friend on a Saturday morning. Get a train going from TJ. Have your friend fall asleep on the train and you will find that the security will grab your friend and drag him off the train without asking for a ticket or attempting to wake the sleeper politely.

    They think the person is a drunk. So play it up and I'm sure you'll get a good video of more wrongs being done.

  12. Kathryn on October 2nd, 2009 3:18 am

    This is absolutely outrageous. Those men should be suspended pending further investigation. Have you taken this to an attorney or the DA's office. This type of behavior cannot be allowed. Especially the man who proceeded to knee him in the head over and over after being told about his scar. That is just wrong. I am glad you caught this on tape and I genuinely hope that you don't just let this fall through the cracks. Action must be taken.

  13. Kathryn on October 2nd, 2009 3:21 am

    Oh, and I write articles for the San Diego Reader. I would love to do a piece about this if you want. We can delve deeper into this…find out exactly who those men were, if there supervisors would think such behavior was warranted (considering the man was smoking and was not getting violent or showing any behaviors that would warrant him being wrestled by three people), what the law is, etc. Email me if you're interested.

  14. Pat on October 3rd, 2009 1:01 pm

            I'm fairly sure that taking pictures of the transit area, cars or equipment is not illegal. However, you must first have permission from a transit worker to take their picture while on property. Least that is how it is in New York… San Diego might be different I don't know. The guy could have told you "Do not take my picture." and you would have had to stop taking his picture. This would most likely have had to happen with all of the officers. You might have been able to say I'm not taking "your" picture I'm taking the guy you're arresting picture. That might confuse them as they wouldn't be able to speak for that guy. I do know that some area's also do not allow photography of property (city, federal or otherwise governmental) in a time of heightened security. You can thank the Homeland Security Act…

            As for the guy. IMO his own arrogance caused his hardship from what you said. He was asked to put out the cig and didn't. Was it a bit over excessive for just a cigarette? Maybe but we've got the incident already in progress so no one is sure what exactly brought him to that point. Hopefully he'll put out his smoke the next time he is asked and or wait till he is out of the area where smoking is prohibited all together. Then again the transit police officer could have had a bad day and snapped from the start? Who knows. I'd say it was probably a little bit more than just not wanting to put out a smoke to warrant that many people and to be carted away in cuffs.

  15. imominous on October 28th, 2009 3:51 am

    I've found that the best thing you can do is go online and look up the municipal code. Cops and security guards often make up their own laws or misinterpret existing laws.

    I frequently encounter this while protesting Scientology. They have their own spin on the laws governing photography on public property. (they say we can't, the law says we can.) Sometimes the cops who respond to their nuisance calls ask us to cooperate in violating our own rights. I have, in the past, refused to protest across the street. Public sidewalks are public. I've also refused to delete pictures taken of Scientologists confronting us on public property.

    I hope you'll take Kathryn's offer of a SD Reader article. Who was that guy? How did he fare after having his head pinned down by some rent a cop's knee following surgery?

    What are the specific laws pertaining to photography at trolley stations?

    After that shooting at the Oakland trolley station, I can see why these PD wanna-bes don't want to be photographed. That guy who was shot in the back while laying on the ground suggests that we need more videos and photos in order to keep these chumps from violating the rights of others with impunity.

    Somebody has to watch the watchers!

  16. Ken Nava on October 28th, 2009 12:24 pm

    I see a guy who is making the cops job difficult. If he complied they would not be using force. It wasn't even that much force. Middle class people seem not to have problems with the police. The fact he was smoking showed a disrespect for the law and all of those who are affected by the smoke.

  17. Rob on October 28th, 2009 3:11 pm

            I agree with you, the guy was being difficult before I started filming and the trolley cops were ultimately enforcing a no-smoking law. What did you think about the last part of the video where the trolley police tell me I'm not allowed to take pictures? That was my original reason for posting the video online.

  18. mo on October 31st, 2009 11:52 am

    you can take pics in any public place, and when you see police behaving like

    storm troopers, it is your civic duty to put them on the net. thank you.

    there are cameras everywhere these days, for our "protection", so the blade has to cut both ways. good on ya!

  19. Peter Turner on November 5th, 2009 6:50 am

    You are safeguarding our rights better than any policeman could ever do. Sadly, you have to defend our rights AGAINST those policemen. Being in the bay area, this situation reminds me of the Oscar Grant murder all too much. Keep up the good work, as you are a true community hero.

  20. Max Claymore on November 7th, 2009 5:06 pm

    I have to say you are completely spot-on with your work thusfar. You are a shining example of citizen over-sight…..

    The regular police will usually rubber stamp private interests, like shoplifting or whatever. This shit is pulled by the Metro agents working in the Los Angeles area, of course BART in the Bay region does the same damn thing! Recent events there prove that out. More and more digital eyes now watching the cops as much as have been on the public! I just suggest that folks hold onto their tapes until after the cops put their bullshit story out using Public Information Officer, then spring it on them…

  21. JJ Goonsquad on November 12th, 2009 10:56 pm

    This will Only get worse with this new administration. What Bush started Obama will fine tune. This bunch running things now will be far worse. Just wait, you will see. Police will get away with more and more.

    Great job!

    Be brave!

    Watch your back.

  22. D Stone on November 19th, 2009 3:56 am

    Well looking at the video it would seem that these rent a cops need a little lesson in tactical training and not be so ready to judge and jury. These people get some authority and all of a sudden for some reason we the people suffer for it. But looking at it we the people have a history of letting the officials like government ,police, lawyers, etc and any body just walk on our rights at will .We all just take it like cattle or something. Doesn't anybody think there comes a time where we have a need to stand up and say I,m tired of this and stand up for selves.STOP AND THINK. These officials are all paid from our taxes they work for us they drive cars that are purchased by us. The auto insurance that is provided to that car is provided by our taxes. the fuel that opperates the auto is purches by taxes. The uniforms thay wear all paid by us . This list goes on and on You know our right are being taking away from us at an alarming rate .OUR FOR FATHERS DID NOT FIGHT AND DIE FOR THIS . We the people need to look just how far we have come and just how far we have fallen Its just a shame that the future of the next generations to come will fall prey due to weakness not to stand against a government hell bent on destroying our rights and lining their own pockets to benefit what suites them

  23. JR on December 7th, 2009 1:10 pm

    The same thing happened to me in Dallas. You can't take photos of the bank of america building in down town. If you are ever in Dallas, it's the talles building in downtown and the one with the green neon at night.

    I was on the sidewalk at night and taking photos of down town Dallas. A security guard and a Dallas police officer approached me asking me what I was doing. I told them I was taking photos. They told me that I could not take photos of the bank of america building. I asked why not. They said that the owners didn't want it photographed and asked for my id. I told them I didn't have to give them my id as I was on a public sidewalk and did nothing wrong. We went around for about 10 min. I walked away without ever giving them my id. I figured they could arrest me and I would fight it in court. Nothing happened. I went a block down the street and took my shots.

    So if you are ever in Dallas, you can't take photos of the bank of america building from a public sidewalk and the superbowl in going to be here in 2011. Boy can't wait to see how many people get arrested for taking photos of the building.

    Keep shooting and stand up for our rights as photographers.

  24. Justice For All on December 8th, 2009 2:01 am

    The photographer and the victim should get even and file a federal civil rights suit.

  25. Matthew on December 29th, 2009 1:44 pm

    I'm quite shocked that they would have known so little about your rights as to open themselves up to liability for harassment and threats. Aren't these people trained in the law? For one, it was an apparently unjustified arrest, for smoking a cigarette. Secondly, commanding or requesting that you not photograph them is prior restraint, and illegal. Third, intimidation, harassment, threats by a uniformed officer only serve to tarnish the uniform they wear and increase hostility by the public against security. I hope the guy they arrested knows about your video and is planning litigation. Very good job in keeping your cool in this situation! Thanks for posting the video, and keep up the good work. I think that every police patrol, and security guard patrol in public areas, should have a citizen assigned to them to roll video as independent witnesses to all actions done by uniformed police. The harassment you got later on (with an implied threat) is straight out of the Gestapo playbook.

  26. Rob on December 30th, 2009 4:17 pm

            Thanks for the comment & compliment. I agree with everything you said. Cops are allowed to film us for any reason, so we should at leat be able to film them in public places.

  27. Melissa A on January 8th, 2010 12:24 pm

    I may be stupid but is it illegal to smoke at the train station, I'm from Sacramento and if it were here everyone would be going to jail too.

  28. Rob on January 9th, 2010 3:34 am

    Yes, there is an ordinance against smoking within 25 feet of any trolley station or bus stop in San Diego. It is supposed to result in a $75 citation. It is not an arrestable offense.

  29. James on January 14th, 2010 2:27 pm

    The name for jsullins isnt even valid. As a former employee for Heritage Mrs Sullins hasnt worked there for atleast 3 years.

  30. fred on February 1st, 2010 11:33 am

    Rob,

    I like your pictures of the trolley station from up above, and of the speeding trolley. One thing as you are very correct the trolley security officer should have never told you not to take picture. Maybe you were a bit to close should have told you to step back, just to make sure no one interferes or to allow the officers enough room. The trolley officer telling you you are not allowed or to not tke pictures was obviously as you know WRONG. I agree 110%, unfortunately the two officers that informed of the the so called "law" were new.

    "SOME" NOT ALL trolley security guards are fresh out of high school first job they have ever had like any other place, again its only a security gig. There is a handful of very squared away officers experienced, and well on there way to bigger and better things.

    I could definitely understand your frustration on this matter, which could have been brought to the attention of a supervisor that happen to be on scene.

    Only thing I see is that this sheds more bad light on the whole " trolley security" we are already WAY UNDERPAID, forced to do about 50 thousand things at once or be faced with daily threats of unemployment. Remember were all people we all make mistakes. Many people hold us or compare to higher standards because of our uniforms. Rather then attempt to make things worse why not attempt to make things better?

    lack of training, rather then b**** and complain about it, what can you do to make things better, you got your time in the spotlight,did you make any suggestions for correcting the problem? no, and until someone does things will never change……

  31. discarted on February 5th, 2010 1:25 pm

    please edit your post to clarify that these guys are not sworn police officers, nor police, but just security officers who lack any real authority of the public whatsoever.

    we all have the same "authority" and powers that these guys have

    by writing that these guys are police itjust adds some sort of false legitimacy to them when they're just a bunch of rent a cops harassing members of the public

  32. Rob on February 5th, 2010 2:09 pm

    @discarted I’m working on a post that describes the difference between sworn peace (police) officers and private security guards. Back in September, when I filmed the video and wrote the post, it was based on what I knew then. What I know NOW is much different. Since then I have indeed learned that security guards are performing a CITIZENS ARREST when they place some one in cuffs, which is something that any public commuter can do to a trolley guard. What I know NOW that I didn’t know THE is that San Diego trolley guards have no more authority to arrest a public commuter than a public commuter has to arrest a trolley guard.

    That being said, I want to leave my original post is I wrote it back in September 2009, not because I don’t agree with you, but because I would like this blog to show the progression of what I am learning from the experience.
    .-= Rob´s last blog ..Eventually He Pointed His Camera At The Sky =-.

  33. fred on February 7th, 2010 1:22 pm

    Rob,

    Obviously there is a huge difference from security officer compared to peace officer (police). You are acting as if this is something new. Unfortunately you are not comparing apples to apples. Yes security officers can only conduct citizens arrest. Just like any citizen in the state of california. The difference is whether you know it or not Transit security is not your typical day to day security ( believe or not) call it what you want wannabe cop, academy drop outs, or whatever but it is the truth you cannot compare transit security to say "securitas". yes same guard card is needed, and permits are needed, but the type of work is COMPLETELY different See transit security does not guard parking lots, empty buildings, or construction sites. They "police" the trolley though they are not police. this does not make them wannabe cops security has this old time persona of being wannabe cops. Many people hold them to the same standard as police because they are similiar in uniforms. Transit security does an enormous amount of law enforcement activity conducted with neighboring police agencies. Anyways I'd like to chat with you more if you have any questions……drop me a line….

  34. Roger Estillana on May 15th, 2010 10:57 pm

    Yes i agree with your comments,i wonder is it possible to release documents from the 80s all the way to present involving heritage securities assaulting little girls, teenagers, handicaps, senior citizen,and veterans,minorities?because i do beleive that things are getting out of hand as far as loose canon trolley cop wanna be securities i think its time that we hear the truth and to keep the community out of danger by replacing trolley stations securities with smart entries,and to inform the public what is really taking place.

  35. Roger Estillana on May 18th, 2010 3:24 pm

    Hi Rob after i post my comments,i brainstormed myself for a while,and i came to the conclusions after reviewing informations,about trolley securities,and i learned that lately violence has been on the rise, and im not sure what is causing it,but i do know one thing and the solutions is would be to find a way for us as a community to reconcile our differences lets have a three day holiday and well call it reconciliation independence week so we can all meet in groups identify each other and exchange and express frustrations to forgive and forget and go on with our lives as familys like brothers and sisters,exhange our ideas open ourselves,then talk about solutions,activities,and invite our top leaders to assist us for any kind of solutions,im positive that if things are conducted this way, i think that violence and separations would be dropped to zero.educations would be achieve in much higher rate, community would have so much abundance ,and all hands would be in much better shape.

  36. Reupert on August 3rd, 2010 3:06 pm

    Love this clip. That's about 6 blocks from where I lived last winter and a little further from a segment that was on COPS recently…

    But to the point, good sticking up for your 1st amendment rights. Go get em

  37. slmma on December 8th, 2010 4:54 am

    I worked in down town San Diego for 3 years loss prevention agent you have to understand before you approach a confrontation with someone if they even understand they are doing somthing then again I have been in 100s of confrontations where I did have me knee on some ones head since I have been bitten hit with a bat, skateboard, punched knifes and guns drawn on me til you have been placed in that situation you will know why he did what he did. And how much training you thing a company is going to invest on a security officer they pay $ 9 HR they have no training watching a video and answering questions is not training

  38. En Que on December 27th, 2010 11:47 am

    I agree with the trolley cops. thats what terrorists do before they want to blow up a place. they try to film and study the location. the cops are doing this for our safety..

  39. Zach Petschek on February 23rd, 2011 8:19 am

    SD MTS is a private company despite popular belief. It is public transportation but they do have the right to setup rules as they wish. It is not illegal to stand on public property, across the street, and photograph the trolley, but unfortunately they have the right to make any rules that they wish on their property.

  40. Nick on March 25th, 2011 10:56 am

    I worked armed security patrol in south central Los Angeles for years and it frustrating. I myself took the job not because I was an academy drop out, egomaniac or thought that I was a cop. I took the job to seriously protect and serve. OK…that sounds cheesy, but it's true. I eventually had to leave the job because it's way to frustrating. I just wanted to go to work and do my job and every 30 seconds someone is calling you a rent a cop, wanna be cop or they are reminding you that your not the police and you can't tell them what to do. It's very disheartning to people like myself who like the work. I worked for an angency that was very professional. We had the same cars, computers, weapons and were even sent through a lot of the same training as cops. We were never lead to believe that we were cops and were not trained to act as so. We patrolled contracted premises period. Yes driving the cown vicoria's from location to location, some people used to stop me and ask for my assistance, I would then inform them I was not a police officer, but I'd be happy to make the call for them. I would never deny anyone help. A lot of times LAPD would use us for traffic control during accidents and such, but that's about it. Even the Police would make fun of us and belittle our jobs. So I can see how these officers would become frustrated with this man. I'm not saying what they did was right. There is much more to dealing with people than showing them how aggresive you can be. The 5 years I worked as a white patrol officer in south central I got in one confrintation. I knew how to talk my way through situations to get what I wanted. I personally know a few of these guys and they have no training at all. They get a guard card and a firearm permit and are hired to protect. It's not fair to them or to the public. They are not trained to deal with these type of situations and that's what your seeing. I think these Trolley security guys are kicked around and laughed at a lot because they're not cops and your seeing them blow because they are not trained to deal with it. A lot of security officers do think they are cops and do act as such when they shouldn't be and that is because of a lack of training and the fact that security agencies will hire anyone with a pulse and pay them $9 hr. You get what you pay for. Trolly patrol is a very dangerous job and a huge responsability. It needs to be done by people who receive the proper training or handed over to Law Enforcement. Some stations have one officer per station, a guy who last week worked at Ikea and this week he is in charge of patroling an entire Trolley station during a night shift. I loved what I did in patrol and I bet I would enjjoy Trolley, but not for $9 with no cover unit. That's insane.

  41. trolleycop5150 on July 19th, 2011 2:25 pm

    Well for all that wondered if those officers are still employed, they are. The use of force used in this video was justifiable based on the suspects actions before Mr. I have a camera pushed the record button. Yes the officer made a mistake by telling u that u can not video tape them. I see why she jumped into the picture right of way and believe she meant to tell you to back off. The camera guy is with in 5 feet of the contact. I have had officers on my watch get hit in the head by others with cameras while the officers were on the ground. I see where the concern was, she just blurted out the wrong orders. Yes you have the right to video tape unless posted. But in this case those officers also have rights, like the right to litigation based on violating their privacy. The camera man never asked their consent to publish his video with their faces. That is a huge safety concern for those officers who don't want to be recognized off work. Yes MTS is a public entity. Their property is considered private which is open to the public. Caution before you preach the famous quote "I know my rights". As in the case the suspect in the video was a parolee, with a violent wrap. Two he was found guilty for smoking in the station, and failing to comply with a lawful order. His fine was $380.00 from what i recall. So who is the bad guy folks, some parolee who doesn't care about the laws of society or the officers who had to deal with this guy for their $13.00 an hour salary? Officers who deal with 90% of the worst in society. If you dont believe me on the litigation part contact a private attorney and ask him or her.

    Sincerely

    Sergeant TrolleyCop5150

  42. anon on June 28th, 2012 12:56 pm

    Good post Rob, a prime example of how our country is rapidly becoming a police state, more people need to stand up and take some action because its the people that make a country. Maybe if people witnessed some more acts of police brutality before their eyes they would attempt to make a change. The fault doesnt lie solely with the govemrent its partly the citizens fault for not demanding change.

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